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Post by sarahkarrington on Aug 12, 2010 18:06:17 GMT -5
No, they hire them because they see potential in their talent and think they can (if they are right or not doesnt matter) turn that potential into money.
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Post by Yogi Bear on Aug 13, 2010 8:36:01 GMT -5
Since when did it become the "in" thing to hate on ROH? That's all I ever read anymore. The argument of who is #1/2/3 is going to depend on what you count. Is it buyrates? Is it money made? Is it booking? Is it the talent, and the matches? It all depends.
As far as money and buyrates WWE blows everybody away and even though TNA is spending themselves into oblivion they are still the number 2. If we focus on booking/talen/matches I have to say its WWe, ROH, TNA. The booking in TNA is just terrible and most of the wrestling I see is crap. It really says something about that company that they had to promote a show as "no interviews". Seriously? You spend so much of your time on promos that you actually have to tell the fans to tune in to watch wrestling? I watched the whole show last night and it was great. There wasn't a bad match on the show. If they could do more TV like that then we might see them actually start to recover from the hit the company has taken since Hogan came on board.
Now, obviously I'm not just the casual fan, I'm a little obsessed with wrestling. That being said, I enjoy ROH more than TNA or WWE. I won't say that it has the best production value or anything like that. But I enjoy it the most. I don't see divas having awful matches, or 10 minute promos/backstage segments. It's a 1 hour show and it's 90% wrestling. That's why I'm watching the show, for wrestling. It has the most of all the things I like, and the least of all the things I hate when it comes to the top 3 promotions.
I support all 3. I buy all the WWE PPV's as well as all the dvd releases and tons of other merch. Same with ROH, I buy all the dvd's all the shirts, everything. TNA, not as much. I buy the occasional t-shirt (Awesome Kong, British Invasion), but I can't bring myself to buy the dvd's anymore. I bought them all up until the end of 09 and since then the shows just have not been that good. I almost didn't order the Hardcore Justice PPV because I thought "Do I really want to give TNA my money?" I shouldn't have to think like that. The company should not be turning off a hardcore wrestling fan to that degree, it's sad and I hope they can fix it. But it looks like it would take a lot of releasing old talent and pushing the younger guys. Very much like when Vince started the attitude era...make it happen Hogan.
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Post by tobihope on Aug 13, 2010 18:53:59 GMT -5
Very much like when Vince started the attitude era...make it happen Hogan. Yeah ... I wouldn't hold my breath on that one. ;D |
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Post by St. Louis Wrestling Rocks! on Aug 15, 2010 1:36:57 GMT -5
Cornette blames people like Bischoff for wrestling's shortcomings...
On his website, Jim Cornette fired back at Eric Bischoff's comments about the last decade of talent, Ring of Honor and more:
Traditionally, a guy who "draws money" means a guy who, when you have put him in main events or important programs, sells more tickets (or PPV buys these days) than other people who have been in a same/similar spot, and has done this not just once or twice but on a consistent basis. There used to be dozens and dozens of top guys who "drew money" in the territory days. Now, there are a few, and they ARE all in WWE. The problem is, as Bischoff either doesn't want to admit or is too clueless to know, is that the way people like him have changed the business is the reason, not lack of talent on the young guy's parts.
In the territory days, the promoters didn't care WHO drew as long as someone did, they would push anyone they thought could draw, all their businesses were reasonably healthy, and they hadn't exposed everything/given people such bad booking and silly **** so that when angles were shot, they actually increased business. Now, these young guys are seldom put in the spot to draw to begin with because the "stars" have guaranteed contracts, and if you're paying someone main event money you keep them in the main event, so few get the CHANCE to prove they can draw money (It happens some in WWE, and rarely in TNA)--it doesn't apply in TNA to begin with as some of the biggest draws of the past 20 years work/have worked there and still haven't sold tickets/PPV's/increased ratings, because the booking and company structure itself is incompetant.
Does that mean those guys "can't draw" because the company they work for has lost tens of millions and still doesn't make a profit of any real size? Also, since it's been 10 years since anyone in pro wrestling drew BIG money, not because of the talent but because of the crappy booking and poorly run companies, as well as the fact that WWE and TNA have made angles/big matches mostly meaningless by doing them too often, badly, and telling people they're all phony to begin with, someone has to be blamed--are these companies going to blame themselves, or their children or families, or "writers"? No--they blame the talent. Companies like ROH struggle because WWE and TNA have made LESS people, not MORE, interested in wrestling.
He also shows his ignorance of his current residence in a glass house--if ROH is a "backyard vanity project for marks", what is TNA, since TNA has lost tens of millions MORE than ROH has lost in the exact same time in business, doesn't that mean that ROH is behind WWE but ahead of TNA? Do we grade by gross revenue or total profit? WWE has created an environment where WWE draws as a show, like the Harlem Globetrotters or Holiday on Ice, and the stars on a particular card mean less than they ever have.
To truly have guys in the business who "draw money" again, we would have to pitch out the dreck like Bischoff and others who don't respect or understand wrestling, who think they are Emmy award winning "real" TV producers, ditch the comedy writers like Russo and Stephanie McMahon's comic reading college kids, and push wrestlers who win, lose and chase championships. People will watch what wrestling is now on TV for free, and a few hundred thousand might buy the pPV's, but ticket sales for wrestling will NEVER approach what they once were without taking those steps.
That is why all the guys today who are actually draws, who sell live event tickets and PPV's in big numbers, almost all work for Dana White, the most successful pro wrestling promoter in the world. He just calls it UFC. Bischoff sees no similarity bewtween MMA/UFC and pro wrestling, which is why he is doomed to be a guy that was successful for 2 years out of a 20 year career. BTW, what other executive in any company actively dislikes, disagrees with, ignores and insults the 10% of people who are most dedicated to/spend the most money on their product or service?
All of his "crossover to mainstream culture" BS is because people like him, Hogan, McMahon, Russo, etc are all embarrassed to admit they are in the wrestling business (and the business hates to admit it has them) and they all want to be "real" stars--only the Rock has done that, but I wish all I named would leave our business to try!
This is just my offhand impression of this nitwit's comments, but I think you're wasting time trying to quiz Eric Bischoff on anything other than a good hair dye, a nice tanbed, a well-fitting set of dentures and the current price of a 3 way at the Gold Club. Feel free to repost any/all of this if you want.
Jim Cornette
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Post by St. Louis Wrestling Rocks! on Aug 16, 2010 14:24:15 GMT -5
If they are fixing fights in boxing MMA or other fight sports that aren't pro wrestling, they are clearly violating the law. The commissions would sweep in and shut them down.
Also, the mediastream media would bite on the chance to show MMA was just as rigged as WWE is if someone would step forward and talk to them about it. So why hasn't there been anyone? Are they scared?
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Post by sarahkarrington on Aug 16, 2010 15:56:05 GMT -5
You are the best at missing the point steven.
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Post by wrestling09 on Aug 16, 2010 16:24:44 GMT -5
missing point huh i see.
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Post by ericloy on Aug 16, 2010 16:26:14 GMT -5
. And the final thing that will prove my point is Boxing. 6-11 with 5KO's. The last one always suprises them. Why so different. Cuz I did not know the right people. Oh sure I knew them and thats why when you look up John Turlington boxing you see I have fought in Mandalay Bay in Vegas along with Bally's Casino and even Madison Square Garden but what you don't see is the behind the scenes crap. POLITICS. Even though we may be a very evenly matched fight it does not matter cuz the guys behind the scenes already know who THEY want to win. Actually, knowing more than a little about the boxing game myself, I see someone who got some early wins in the Kansas City area then got tossed in like fresh meat to some much stiffer competition like so many Kansas City and Missouri fighters do. Fighting David Rodriguez twice certainly didn't help things. If you couldn't get him the first time, why would you be able to get him the second time, one year, a 1-4 record with several TKO losses and 14 pounds later? You should have figured out by then your manager was doing you no favors. Why did they match you with Allen Green? For crying out loud. Did they hate you? I'm not trying to be disrespectful, because anyone who puts on the gloves and gives it a go will always have my respect, but MAN you should sue your ex-handlers for malpractice. |
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Post by tobihope on Aug 16, 2010 18:31:28 GMT -5
Well I can agree most of what Cornette said except ofcourse that ROH may be considered number 2. He is an idiot for saying that. If you were to go by how he put it you could say alot of companies should be number two. He talks about profit and profit loss. Number 1, 2 and 3 and so on is more by popularity and most known. AND when you consider your comparing ROH's thousands to TNA and WWE's millions the difference is still irrelavent. Where in his post did Cornette make the statement that ROH is the #2 promotion behind WWE? I read it yesterday and again today and I can't seem to find him making that claim.He makes a round-about statement in those regards when it comes to finances but he never says it to an outright overall fact. And it's not about popularity - it's about money and who makes the most of it. People tend to forget that the wrestling business is still a business. With that said, I still consider TNA a distant #2 and ROH a distant #3, but TNA bleeds money at a faster pace than WCW in it's dying days. |
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Post by wrestling09 on Aug 17, 2010 15:19:34 GMT -5
so the reason that fought twice was because somebody hated him is that true?
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Post by ericloy on Aug 17, 2010 22:25:09 GMT -5
Some can dispute this but that will only be cuz you do not know as much as you think you do. Not disputing anything other than the fact your handlers threw you in too deep too soon, like many many other fighters from that neck of the woods. That area of the US has taken over where the Cleveland, Ohio area left off for providing "opponents". Too bad you didn't really have someone in your corner that was in it for more than a paycheck. |
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Post by dietpepsi on Aug 18, 2010 3:40:26 GMT -5
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Post by St. Louis Wrestling Rocks! on Aug 18, 2010 8:47:38 GMT -5
Let the record show Sarah K has not come up with the incriminating video...in other words she made it up. |
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Post by johnnyB on Aug 18, 2010 10:16:44 GMT -5
Let the record show Sarah K has not come up with the incriminating video...in other words she made it up. What is the videos suppose to be of? |
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Post by sarahkarrington on Aug 18, 2010 16:07:52 GMT -5
I dont remember what the show was
nosebleed seats or something like that?
Where the intro was steven playing with his wrestling toys
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